Also I am also using the dewaxed shellac to seal my wood and coating with 3 layers of gesso is this ok. Can I used latex paint over shellac or oil based primer? You can paint over the oil based house paint with the shellac primer. The acrylic will hold up fine by itself, but if you want a bit more shine, you can go over it, after the paint dries, with a thin spray of shellac, SealCoat or water-based finish in … This coating will keep it safe from UV rays, discoloration and dust. I’ve used it for so many things, and plan on trying it out with some thinned paints when I can get my garage arranged and set up so I have a my parts washer and tiny paint booth together. … I have been using acrylic paints and tiny brushes to fill in cut out letters, then just a light sanding to remove any that got on the top surface, but my hands are mostly numb and shaky right now so I want to give the spray a try and see how it wipes off. a problem Hi Garth, The alcohol in the shellac is dissolving the acrylic in the paint. Re: shellac over paint. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. You can choose from matte, satin and gloss variations of varnish for this task. Stain-blocking primers can be oil or water based. I’ll do some experimenting with shellac then. When you spray lacquer over a solvent-based acrylic finish, they combine to form a hybrid film, even if the acrylic is pigmented to form a paint. I am making something for outdoor use and I've painted it with a matte exterior latex paint. Or oil based paint on latex or shellac primer? Painting over varnish is a great way to modernize and revive old furniture. Just watched. Paint over the existing paint with oil based paint...let it cure for a few days and then apply your shellac. In the 1920s shellac was replaced in factories by lacquer for two primary reasons: shellac resin (from bug secretions) is a commodity product that was going up in price as demand increased, while lacquer was going down in price; and lacquer thinner (a blend of solvents) makes lacquer much mor… … In nearly 20 years of working with shellac – from flake and store-purchased – I ran into a problem once when I added a layer of lacquer over a coat of shellac. As much as I’ve done in wood working I’ve never used shellac over paint. I’ve done some digging here, but not completely clear on using shellac over paint. It still has just a slight yellowed tint to it this morning compared to the one I coated with the water based poly. Shellac over paint, outdoors. While this might work for painting the walls in your home, I don’t recommend using house painting materials for making fine art. Looking at the zinsser shellac. On water based poly mineral spirits got about the same results. To be extra sure of good adhesion you can very lightly sand the paint with 150 grit, but that shouldn't be required. Water based clear coats are generally some form of latex paint without the pigment so it should be compatible with your acrylic/latex paint, no problem. I may go ahead and pick up a little bit of oil based just in case the acrylic doesn’t work as well. Compatibility is no problem at all if you’re about to add shellac over an earlier coating. Stain blocking primer. You can also use acrylic gesso. Any preference on which? Essentially a plastic in the form of a liquid until it dries, polyurethane is available in … I’m planning on painting the wood, sanding, shellac(2-3) coats, then carve everything. Used the acrylic paint to fill in the carved area on the test. I’ll see to see what type of paint is in these spray paints I guess. A sealer coat of shellac or varnish solves both problems. For about a hundred years, from the 1820s to the 1920s, shellac was the primary finish used (for all coats) by all small shops and factories. Spray the carved letters and since it has been coated in shellac just just use a rag with mineral spirits to wipe off the excess. Most professionals agree that water-based varnish is the best product to use over paint. Ask Question Asked 4 years, 9 months ago. This has worked for me every time ive tried this so far and i love it! Make a 1-lb shellac cut. In your case, I would not use shellac. Lack of compatibility is my favorite shellac myth. Varnish can be used to protect, preserve, and enhance paint. I’m attempting to get rid of the need to use transfer paper because it’s a pain. Wasn’t sure how the water based poly would hold up to be wiped with mineral spirits and then wiped dry, but it appears fine so far. The polyurethane type of varnish is usually the best choice for this. Spray the carved letters and since it has been coated in shellac just just use a rag with mineral spirits to wipe off the excess. We proudly stand behind all of our products. Although it isn't recommended, you can always use latex paint over an oil-based primer. I generally use latex paint for the wood surface, just wondering what shellac I can use over it. You'll need sandpaper or deglosser, primer, and paint. First, I would prep the body up … I’ve seen some say it works, other say it doesn’t. Yes. We are proud of the quality of our products, and we stand behind them 100%. So you can do one of two things. Often confused with tree resin and lacquer, shellac is an excretion gathered from the lac insect that is useful as a sizing or an isolating varnish between paint layers. I’m planning on painting the wood, sanding, shellac(2-3) coats, then carve everything. With the proper preparation, you can make an old piece look new again. But it may give the object an old appearance (which can really work depending on what you're using it for). Phil to the rescue, once again! If it holds up I’ll probably go with it on this project because it didn’t tint the white painted base underneath like the shellac, plus I can put a coat of satin clear poly over top of it and the paint, unlike the shellac due to the shellac containing wax. I bought the clear. Ensure further protection of your acrylic painting and extend its lifespan by using varnish over it. I would be sure and let it cure. I know I can use it as an isolation barrier then paint oils over it but am I able to paint over the shellac with acrylic paints (will this hold or peel off) as long as I don’t use the open range. Polyurethane. It’s one of my least favorite tasks in any DIY project. However, acrylic paint dries very quickly and is somewhat porous, so an oil-based paint can be applied over the acrylic. Compared a clean piece and one with shellac and the shellac one now looks yellowed. First coat has been on 20 minutes and already feels dry to the touch, going to wait the full hour, hit with some 320 grit, then do a second coat and test carve later tonight. Shellac primers. Simply, a primer is a sealer with pigment added. With all the modern advances in coatings -- polyurethane, shellac, urethane, or varnish -- some confusion about formula is to be expected. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. You may also return purchases to a Rockler store near you for store credit. Active 7 months ago. Shellac primers can be great for painting over trim and smaller projects because it dries hard and blocks stains. What is shellac? For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Either topcoat can provide smooth surface protection and will bring out the rich look of the paint. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Items shipped directly from the manufacturer cannot be returned in store. Because of its origins, it is not vegan, but it is a renewable resource, unlike its synthetic alternatives. I’m attempting to get rid of the need to use transfer paper because it’s a pain. Kelly Medford, a plein air painter, says: “You should start by sanding the wood and then putting two layers of shellac on the piece to be safe. That shellac is going to be fantastic for some furniture I’m building either way if it doesn’t work for me on painted carvings…at least the ones painted white. Then when the shellac primer dries it will accept latex or acrylic paint. 3. This is the acrylic craft paint like you can buy at Wally World. Using Oil-Based Varnish An oil-based varnish can be applied over completely dry acrylic paint with little difficulty. In terms of price, acrylic takes the lead. It can also be used as an isolating film between layers of paint, both oil and water-based. I’ve got the water based poly I use on flags and was going to test it too. That’s exactly what I was hoping for. I'm satisfied with the protection that the paint will offer but I'm experimenting with ways to … My base surface is going to be painted under the shellac before carving though, but I think it should work out just the same. Thanks Don . Not sure how it will hold up to the mineral spirits though when wiping the excess paint away. If for any reason you are not satisfied with the merchandise you ordered, just return it within 90 days to receive a refund in the manner of original payment. It does that! In our Facebook Group, the question comes up a lot about the best way to bring shine and a nice glossy finish back to the dried paintings.Acrylic paints can dry rather dull and darker than when wet, but adding back a glossy finish and brightening up those colors again is easy! Yes, you can use ALL 3 types of primers over or under latex and oil based paint. Shellac is a resin secreted by the female lac bug, Kerria lacca ... Shellac is most often used in artwork as a sealing finish on wood or other porous substrates that will later be painted over. I’ve seen people say with and without wax, and I see water based. FAQ about paint primers. Shellac over a previously painted piece. I bought a can of Zinsser Shellac from Home Depot and after getting home read the label which said not a suitable for undercoating waterborne poly. Interior stains and odors. How to Seal a Toy Project with Shellac, Paste Wax, and Acrylic Paint, High-quality brands and products you can trust, Expert advice and free post-purchase support, Exclusive, innovative products that help you Create with Confidence, Detailed instructions, technical specs and guides to make the most of your purchases. Very light sanding with some 300+ grit should take care of that. Viewed 12k times 6. Although you can paint on top of shellac in my experience if the shellac underneath is 100 years old the painting job is not going to be good unless you prep the surfaces. Can I put a clear top coat of lacquer or shellac over acrylic paint. On shellac mineral spirits got 99% wiped clean. I have a plaster cast sculpture that I've sealed with shellac then painted with acrylics-I've already experimented with scrap plaster and the slight yellow of the shellac gives an aged appearance as well as deepening the colour which is what I intended-the question is, will the shellac remain stable over acrylic paint in the long term? It's a great protective coat. The base could be shellac, nitro, acrylic, 2K, etc. Also did a test piece with a water based poly. The shellac-to-solvent ratio, called a “cut,” refers to the amount of shellac (in pounds) dissolved in … Reply. Going to try the acrylic and wipe it too. I know, I know, no one likes to sand! That’s definitely longer than a $4 can of spray paint will last lol. It is quick and easy to … Sanding. What you don't want to try is using oil-based paint over latex paint, as it won't bond very well. 1 car garage doesn’t give me much room like I’d like lol.strong text. The advantages and disadvantages. Don in Murfreesboro,Tn. Your order will come with a return form with convenient instructions, or you may send your returns directly to Returns Department, Rockler Woodworking and Hardware, 4365 Willow Drive, Medina, MN 55340. That’s one of the exact ones I was looking at! Some glossy surfaces will benefit from sanding first. I’ve done some digging here, but not completely clear on using shellac over paint. When painting over a previously painted piece, i have found that if you spray shellac over the old finish before milk painting, then you get this amazing crackling! In its raw form, shellac comes in flakes that you can dissolve in alcohol. … I sold most of my automotive spray guns, but did keep a small detail spray gun. You can buy prepared shellac from the hardware store or prepare it yourself. Measure once cut twice and it's still to short. For these items, please call the store where you purchased them or our customer service department at 1-800-376-7856 so we can assist you. It does require a few steps to ensure that the paint adheres to the surface. Can’t find the zinsser waxless sanding sealer anywhere to test out. Once the paint … Doing a test on scrap. It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an automobile, with CAB-acrylic or acrylic lacquer. Manufacturer guarantees/warranties for power tools, CNC and laser products will supersede the Rockler Guarantee if these items are damaged or defective. Late to the forum… To apply over or under latex paint I’m pretty sure you have to make sure the shellac you’re using is not just shellac, but “de-waxed” shellac. Does the shellac eventually dry clear? Save Share. For international returns, please click here. Going to go to lowes later and get some of the sanding sealer to test too. Shellac can be used as finish by itself or as a sealer between types of materials. 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